Measurement of 18650 Batteries and Conclusion

I have now received my “9900mAh, 3.7V” batteries, and their bundled “4.2V” charger, which I first wrote about in this earlier posting. After receiving a full charge, their measured voltage while still inserted was 4.215V , immediately after removed at no load 4.195V , and after standing for 30 minutes, at no load, 4.138V . When new they require approximately 4h + 5min to charge.

I have to conclude that these batteries do not contain any series-connected, internal, over-voltage-protection chip. They seem to be based on the Layered Lithium-Manganese-Oxide:┬áLi2MnO3 . They differ from the “3400mAh, 3.7V” variety, in that the other kind are based on the Spinel Lithium-Manganese-Oxide: LiMn2O4 .

I must only use this charger, with the batteries it shipped with.

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The GSam Battery Monitoring App

On my Android smart-phone, I have the third-party “GSam” battery monitoring app installed.

This app can be a useful tool, to determine which other apps are causing the greatest battery drain. It gives very detailed information about the battery and its charging behavior.

Further, this app will state the battery voltage – in addition to the percentage charged – any time it is clicked on. This is where I obtained the numbers I used in this earlier posting.

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At lower current-levels of battery-drain (-13mA), this same app showed the battery as 96% charged, but with a voltage of 4.24V . The app continues to run in the background, when the phone is asleep, and when the phone may be drawing much less current than it does with the display on. Then, after we wake up the phone, this app initially displays with its remembered values, until a few seconds later, the app-data updates.

(Edit 12/14/2016 : In the case of a soldered-in battery, it would make perfect sense if the O/S of the device computed the State Of Charge as a linear function with two fixed voltage end-points, as well as to compensate for the amount of current drawn, as if the battery simply had an assumed series-resistance. This is because a soldered-in battery is not assumed to be changed. However, multi-pronged battery-packs also exist, which possess internal chips. Those could be exchanged easily by the user.)

(Edit 12/12/2016 : Actually, this app does not tell the phone, what the State Of Charge of the battery is – the Percentage Charged.

And so there will be a scattering of relationships, between voltages as measured by the device, and percentages. However, one concept which intrigues me, is that if each battery-pack has 4 prongs, there is no way for me to rule out, that 1 prong could be for discharging, while 1 prong could be for charging.

If that were the case, then the charging circuit would detect that the battery suddenly seems to stop drawing current from its charging terminal, and could then immediately measure the voltage on the discharging terminal.)

The advantage this would offer, instead of setting up an arbitrary communications-protocol between a battery and its device, is a simpler internal chip as well.

But If somebody did that, it would still assume a fixed low-endpoint voltage, corresponding to a Sate Of Charge of 0%. This might as well be the voltage, at which Li-Ion Batteries generally start to produce Li2O , which I think is at 2.5V .

(Edit 12/13/2016 : Actually, the battery of the Samsung Galaxy S6 Phone is soldered in. Therefore, it does not need to be an info-battery, and only has 2 terminals.)

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Why we see voltage inconsistencies, with Li-Ion Batteries

I use lithium-ion batteries, which I abbreviate to Li-Ion, the same way other people use them. But I have noticed that the fully-charged voltage of each one is not the same.

There is a WiKiPedia article, which explains well enough for my needs, how Lithium-Ion batteries work. One question which I had not previously had an answer to, was, ‘If I was to design a Lithium-Metal battery, aside from using Lithium as the anode, what material would I use as a cathode – as the oxidizer?’ And the above answer provides possible solutions.

One fact which I have noted before, is that I have ordered a battery charger from Ebay, for ‘Type 18650′ batteries, and that these batteries usually have a fully-charged voltage of 3.7 Volts, and that some compatible batteries only hold 3400mAh of charge, while others hold 9000mAh of charge.

Well, when the battery in my phone has a voltage of about 3.7V, it is only indicated as 60% charged. At 90% charged, my phone battery has 4.1V, and a typical charging-cycle will bring it up to 4.2V – enough to fry certain other batteries.

All of these observations could well be explained, by the phone battery being a Lithium-Cobalt-Oxide battery, while certain other, exchangeable batteries may simply be Lithium-Iron-Phosphate batteries, or yet other batteries. ‘Other exchangeable batteries’ could include the ones in my camera, etc.. The fact that the cathode can have different compositions, will lead to different voltages.

But, when I do receive the batteries and charger I ordered, which are supposed to have a 9000mAh capacity, I will need to verify something. The Type 18650 batteries need to have a fully-charged voltage of 3.7V . Yet, there seem to be high-capacity batteries which hold more charge than merely 3400mAh.

There is a possible, little trick which the makers of my battery and charger could be using. They could have programmed their charger, only to charge the batteries to 3.7V – as usual. But the high-capacity batteries there, too, could be of the Lithium-Cobalt-Oxide type, which can theoretically be charged to 4.2V. At 3.7V, that charger could simply stop charging them.

When I have received my charger and the batteries, what I will have to do after charging those, will be to measure their voltage. The reason for this will be the fact that other battery-types are only allowed to be charged to 3.7V . I will need to know whether it would be safe to insert a Lithium-Iron-Phosphate battery into the charger, instead of the higher-capacity batteries it ships with.

(Edit 12/11/2016 : Additionally, I will want to measure the voltage of the same battery, 30 minutes after taking it out of the charger, without having connected any load to it. I could expect, to see a voltage of 4.2V , and then one of 4.1V . This would tell me that the same charger cannot be used with the lower-capacity batteries. But all of this thinking is pure guesswork, until I have measured the battery. I am insinuating that the batteries are mislabeled as 3.7V batteries, and as soon as something is mislabeled, we need to measure values. )

If the yet-to-arrive batteries test out as having 3.7 V or close to it, I will also know that I can trust the charger I ordered, with the lower-capacity battery-type, which it does not ship with.

Dirk

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Recent Disappointment in Ebay, New Battery-Type

It has been some time since I bought anything on Ebay. But as it happens, I used to carry an LED flashlight with me, the main purpose of which was to prevent me from misplacing my key-chain, and it has since stopped functioning. And so a natural thing I would want to do, was buy a new replacement-flashlight, and because this is a low-priority purchase – for the device actually to work – a good place to do so would be, Ebay. This may take some time to deliver to me.

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But when I did my searches on Ebay today for such a simple item, certain aspects of the results disappointed me. Specifically, I think it was the lack of English skills on the part of the sellers. It seems that the trend on Ebay now is, to put many identifiers into the one-line item description, and to have that pass as its full description, when often, a list of identifying keywords as such, can be incomprehensible to the reader, if 2 or 3 of the identifiers are not known to him.

Where a full item description was supposed to exist, many Ebay items today have nothing.

One of the identifiers which frustrated me today, was what the battery requirements of the new flashlights are. They are: “18650”.

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